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plonkor wrote:I guess I need to order a cable then, or try and pickup a 1571, which there doesn't seem to be many outside the USA on eBay. Can't find a pre-made socketeted cable on eBay either, anyone got any suggestions?
Hey, I don't have a ZoomFloppy. But I checked out the ZoomFloppy page and it says it supports multiple types of parallel cables. So you can either use the PC cable (DB15) or an old-skool userport cable (like the type DATEL used to sell for Burst Nibbler, etc.)

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plonkor wrote:Over the last few months, I've been collecting quite a lot of Ocean and Imagine titles on disk.
What is the best option to back these up, reliably and 100% of any disk protection.
I realise this will be a hardware option but which?
I should add that I'd like to backup to physical media and create an image that can be rewrote at a later date.
There are other options too. Kryofluz, and Supercard + are rather good at backing up software with copy protection.
http://www.REMOVED.com/forum/viewtopic. ... &start=175
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Yeah, I was gonna say KryoFlux is the only choice given your "100%" clause.
Until JD's uDisk hits the streets, Kryoflux is the only one doing the kind of backups you're talking about AFAIK.
At the least you may need a 1541 drive with a RAMBoard and parallel to copy _everything_
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for serious archiving kryoflux is the only solution
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Tachyon wrote:Yeah, I was gonna say KryoFlux is the only choice given your "100%" clause.
Until JD's uDisk hits the streets, Kryoflux is the only one doing the kind of backups you're talking about AFAIK.
At the least you may need a 1541 drive with a RAMBoard and parallel to copy _everything_
Jim Drew might argue that point with you. I admit I would have agreed with you until I read up on the SuperCard+
http://www.c64copyprotection.com/the-ji ... interview/
http://www.c64-wiki.com/index.php/SuperCard_Plus
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The other reason I'd use Kryoflux over using your Commodore drives is that you can buy a new (or NOS) bare drive mechanism to use with it. This has two advantages. One, you're getting newer, more modern hardware that will likely work better anyway. Two, you're not submitting your classic Commodore drives to all the punishment of archiving a crap ton of disks.
Either way you'll likely end up having to clean the drive heads multiple times. Much easier to do with an open drive frame than having to take apart your Commodore drive each time.
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I don't have a problem with the SuperCard+ and it is a similar solution to the Kryoflux. The main difference is that the Kryoflux has a much more proven track record and development time. If I were spending that kind of money, I'd be inclined to go with the proven device at this point. Now don't get me wrong. I think Jim does great work and I'm sure the SuperCard+ will prove itself eventually. But if I'm going to spend my hard earned money and I have these two products to choose from, at this point it's Kryoflux, hands down.

For example, SuperCard+ has nothing like this behind it.
http://www.kryoflux.com/?page=kf_refcustomers
Or examples like this:
http://www.kryoflux.com/?page=kf_refcustomers

Now as far as JD's uDIsk product, I'm all over that when he releases it.


[align=center]All that said, if I had plenty of cash burning holes in my pocket, me real choice would be to buy both. ;')[/align]
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Tachyon wrote:I don't have a problem with the SuperCard+ and it is a similar solution to the Kryoflux. The main difference is that the Kryoflux has a much more proven track record and development time. If I were spending that kind of money, I'd be inclined to go with the proven device at this point. Now don't get me wrong. I think Jim does great work and I'm sure the SuperCard+ will prove itself eventually. But if I'm going to spend my hard earned money and I have these two products to choose from, at this point it's Kryoflux, hands down.
For example, SuperCard+ has nothing like this behind it.
http://www.kryoflux.com/?page=kf_refcustomers
Or examples like this:
http://www.kryoflux.com/?page=kf_refcustomers
Now as far as JD's uDIsk product, I'm all over that when he releases it.
[align=center]All that said, if I had plenty of cash burning holes in my pocket, me real choice would be to buy both. ;')[/align]
I think Jim's repution deserves even more respect than that. After reading up on it, and being involved in a Commodore forum on this very subject, I have decided to get one of these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SuperCard-for-C ... 20f99d65d1
to use with my C-128/1571 setup.
Oh, the thread I was referring is this: http://www.REMOVED.com/forum/viewtopic. ... &start=100
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motrucker wrote:
Tachyon wrote:I don't have a problem with the SuperCard+ and it is a similar solution to the Kryoflux. The main difference is that the Kryoflux has a much more proven track record and development time. If I were spending that kind of money, I'd be inclined to go with the proven device at this point. Now don't get me wrong. I think Jim does great work and I'm sure the SuperCard+ will prove itself eventually. But if I'm going to spend my hard earned money and I have these two products to choose from, at this point it's Kryoflux, hands down.
For example, SuperCard+ has nothing like this behind it.
http://www.kryoflux.com/?page=kf_refcustomers
Or examples like this:
http://www.kryoflux.com/?page=kf_refcustomers
Now as far as JD's uDIsk product, I'm all over that when he releases it.
[align=center]All that said, if I had plenty of cash burning holes in my pocket, me real choice would be to buy both. ;')[/align]
I think Jim's repution deserves even more respect than that. After reading up on it, and being involved in a Commodore forum on this very subject, I have decided to get one of these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SuperCard-for-C ... 20f99d65d1
to use with my C-128/1571 setup.
Oh, the thread I was referring is this: http://www.REMOVED.com/forum/viewtopic. ... &start=100
Reputation has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Even people and companies with the best reputations in the industry make engineering errors and outright bad products from time to time. And with something as complex as a flux level disk archiver, there's plenty of room for such mistakes.
The only measure that matters is real world use, and in that regard, Kryoflux is unmatched. As I said, some day, Supercard+ may achieve a similar track record, but at this point, the advantage definitely goes to Kryoflux.

Though I'm not sure why you bothered to ask since you already seem to have your mind made up on this topic.
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"jims reputation" is controversial at best =)
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